Indian Blackberry network to be shut down unless RIM allows government snooping
Uh-oh, Indian Blackberry users -- better get ready for some major disconnection anxiety. Apparently the Indian government is demanding that RIM either allow it to snoop on its encrypted email service (or worse, drop down to 40-bit encryption), or shut down the entire Indian Blackberry network at the end of the month. That'll cut off an estimated 400,000 subscribers, so the carriers, RIM, and government officials are due to meet and try and hammer out a solution on the 14th, but the issue probably won't be easy to solve -- ISPs are now concerned that if RIM complies, all encrypted wireless data will be open to spying, which would make things like ecommerce virtually impossible. Furthermore, since Blackberry traffic gets routed to Canadian NOCs first, there are some thorny international issues at play as well -- just to put things in perspective, RIM doesn't even allow the Chinese government to snoop in this way, although we're certain there's another backdoor in place. Honestly, though, we'd suffer through a little CrackBerry withdrawal if it kept the G-men out of our hair -- let's hope RIM's got some fight in 'em.[Via Boy Genius Report]



















Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Gian @ Mar 12th 2008 3:15PM
Wow...when did the Republicans take over India? :-)
Jesse S @ Mar 12th 2008 5:48PM
Don't you mean the US and British political systems?
If so, not yet, and 1639, respectively.
Gav @ Mar 12th 2008 3:17PM
Is the brown writing, and brown tinge of that man meant to be some sort of joke?
phanbouy @ Mar 12th 2008 3:36PM
fail
CraigJ @ Mar 12th 2008 4:27PM
Yes, but only for you.
Dorf @ Mar 12th 2008 4:28PM
Umm, go to google images and enter "big brother is watching" There is your answer. Took 3 seconds. :-)
ReggieXuk @ Mar 12th 2008 3:20PM
shut it down, the government will have shot itself in the foot.
Sukhminder @ Mar 12th 2008 8:13PM
India does that from time to time. Indian Bureaucracy is notorious. It is the biggest problem for India and economic growth, this is just the latest debacle. In the '80s they had a debate in Parliament over whether to let in Pepsi/Coke.
Here's an article from the front page of the Economist:
What's holding India back?
http://www.economist.com/opinion/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=10808493
Should explain why they want to shut down the Blackberry network. What do government employees know about technology (Recall TSA and Macbook Air)?
murray @ Mar 12th 2008 3:22PM
RIM will fold. It's a given.
Kurian @ Mar 13th 2008 8:09AM
Die RIM!! And take your overpriced crap in India with you.
murray @ Mar 12th 2008 3:24PM
Hmm, my wording was ambiguous, so let me clarify. RIM will capitulate; the Indian government will get what it wants, in one form or another.
Ted @ Mar 12th 2008 7:14PM
Just like Google in China, you mean?
murray @ Mar 12th 2008 8:27PM
Well, kind of, but that was quite different. That was about censorship. This is something where the government has the strong "national security" card to play, and also where RIM could lose a great deal of business if it doesn't capitulate.
Ted @ Mar 12th 2008 3:28PM
That's seriously dodgy, the government reading peoples' emails gives me the creeps.
ReggieXuk @ Mar 12th 2008 3:35PM
google scans all emails to offer up relevent ads.
syadasti @ Mar 12th 2008 3:39PM
The US already spies on ALL Internet traffic passing through each regional backbone with this:
http://www.narus.com/products/index.html
That is why telecom immunity is big news - they'll be owing a ton of money if they don't get it...
Mark @ Mar 12th 2008 6:22PM
Forgive my ignorance, it's been a number of years since I've used a Blackberry, but isn't the encryption all done on the device itself? Presumably, the other key is held on the exchange server/NOC, so how useful is it to intercept the message?
Unless, that is, somebody (RIM?) has already given "the authorities" the key?
jman196 @ Mar 12th 2008 8:22PM
Well the US government does it already via the patriot act, and habeas corpus no longer exists. I suspect we need another 1776...
MadMike @ Mar 12th 2008 3:36PM
They only allow the US NSA to spy on blackberry traffic. Allowing countries who aren't the world police would just be redundant!
MadMike @ Mar 12th 2008 3:37PM
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ANtiMadMike @ Mar 12th 2008 4:04PM
whats world police. non sense, this Madmike has a superiority complex. At least they did not use planes to bomb buildings in India, like here ( if the nSA was really policing ), we're really neighbours with the biggest terrorist beehive ( Pakistan ).
Pah...
MadMike @ Mar 12th 2008 6:51PM
Actually Pakistan isn't the largest terrorist hive. The US believes Iran is harboring most of the worlds terrorists. At least they did at my last NIMS (National Incident Management System) training meeting.
It's funny that I've even garnered my own opposition following. I'd rather be hated that not noticed at all. Wow, I may actually have a superiority complex. Although I'm more mild mannered in person - the quasi-anonymity of the internet gives me a bigger bark.
As far as politics: it's opinionated and opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one. When you try to respect everyones opinion you end up just getting shit-on.
Jon Acheson @ Mar 12th 2008 3:40PM
India has huge internal terrorist problems, so it is not surprising that they need to track the communications of the terrorist cells.
They have a number of violent separatist groups operating in various parts of the country, and of course, they have Pakistan to deal with as well.
Gian @ Mar 12th 2008 3:47PM
That's right...the terrorists...like that guy in Islamabad....what's his name... oh, Pervez Musharraf! That's it! I heard he's been launching terrorists attacks in India for years. Good thing we're buddies with India, and not on that guy's si....err...we are on his side, aren't we. Sorry, India. Maybe he was just kidding with all the bombs and machine guns and the little nuclear arms race you guys had. Who knew?
:-) Wow, we really need to get our crap together.
Frankenstein Black @ Mar 12th 2008 4:19PM
@Jon
LOL, spoken like a true Drone. Don’t you know the rich bad guys use PGP & Steganography) and the poor ones use Horses & Camels?
IndiaTech @ Mar 12th 2008 4:47PM
I tend to agree with you. It all started with terrorists using cell phones to detonate bombs remotely. A la 24 style.
For a long time, India has been plagued by small but persistant seperatist movements. Especially in North East and a region called the "Naxal" area.
Abuzar @ Mar 12th 2008 9:57PM
I resent that. Pakistan is not FULL of terrorists.
souravgh @ Mar 13th 2008 12:39AM
@ indiatech
Exactly.
ive no problems with the government monitoring data transmission in the country. the government is not out to flood u with ads relevant to ur searh request. We have genuine threats here in india.
and incase u didnt know, the indian government already does this with every cell phone carrier in india. Rims attracting attention because their traffic is routed to canada and are not stored on any cellphone carriers servers which can be monitored. the carriers offering the blacberry service (hutch, airtel etc) mirror that data.
Rex @ Mar 13th 2008 10:48AM
Yes i resent that too, pakistan has been having terrorist attacks left-right¢er,
all those afghan refugess, plus afghan-soviet war veterans are blowing up innocent people, like this week(Lahore FIA) or the week before that(Lahore Naval college), or attacks in my own city of Rawalpindi (especially that attack of that poor army doctor)
we are having attacks at a frequency of a week~10 days, so shut up and don't blame yoour silly troubles on us,
if you want to solve your problems, go ahead and carry out that referendum the UNO asked you to do, what like 60 years ago? you guys are getting tardy on your home work
sorry for the rant, but i hate it when people claim that we are terrorists, while we are actually terrorist targets...
Jon Acheson @ Mar 15th 2008 1:19AM
I never said all Pakistanis were terrorists. I don't believe that, either.
However, I do mean to say that Pakistan is a serious security concern for India. I think that's putting it mildly.
I do think you are overreacting, and inventing enemies for yourself where none exist.
Wilson Samuel @ Mar 12th 2008 3:43PM
What the heck! What about the VPNs which is generally atleast 3DES or 128 bit AES?? Will GoI ask them to be torn down as well??
Either this is a hoax or there is a bunch of idiots at GoI
Jack @ Mar 12th 2008 4:00PM
idiots do run GoI try getting something done in India and see where the red tape takes you.
the indian govt is known for its double standard on many things, this might be just another scheme to extort money?
jamie @ Mar 12th 2008 5:36PM
Yes the Indian Government sure does know how to extort money...
50 Rupees to see the Taj Mahal if your Indian..
600 if your a foreigner
jamie @ Mar 12th 2008 5:38PM
sorry I meant "you're"
kal326 @ Mar 12th 2008 3:49PM
So if RIM does there job and keeps the Indian goverment out of their system and their users email secure would that count as a rim job?
Frankenstein Black @ Mar 12th 2008 4:04PM
"wireless data will be open to spying" LMAO! Now that is funny! Remember kids, Crack is Wack, even in Berry form. Now resume your highly "private" **snickers** um business (or personal)communication. Nothing to see here **says the G-Man**
JAM @ Mar 12th 2008 4:24PM
blackberry traffic in India does not go through the North America NOC located in Canada, it goes through the Europe NOC or the Pacific/Asia NOC, forgive my vagueness, I'm not sure how much is public knowledge ;)
Kamal @ Mar 12th 2008 4:32PM
"Those who give up liberty for security deserve neither>"
ilogic @ Mar 12th 2008 5:33PM
i dont mind if it fights terrorism, if they did that here in the states i wouldnt mind, of course not blindly but if the threat is known... but thats just another, but i think that is the reason why would they did that...
desibartender @ Mar 12th 2008 5:34PM
LOL. They can crack 40bit encryption? I doubt it.
phanbouy @ Mar 12th 2008 5:47PM
in Soviet India, RIM monitor _you_
TEG @ Mar 12th 2008 5:51PM
F the Indian Government. Does India not have a constitution that protects the right to privacy?
r3loaded @ Mar 12th 2008 7:25PM
Since when did India' government pay any attention to the constitution?
And since when did Indians ever pay any attention to the government?
Semi @ Mar 12th 2008 6:11PM
whats the big deal..
all western governments are are snooping on everythin you do! this isnt anything new
if you dont believe that then you seriously trust the government!!!!
umm....hello??? @ Mar 12th 2008 6:58PM
...and if the government isn't snooping you can bet your neighbors are!! especially with the convenience of people having cell phones everywhere--they can call the police on you at any time.
macdoc @ Mar 12th 2008 6:24PM
I work in the Intel Community and soon we will even know what you are thinking 24/7!
Josh L @ Mar 12th 2008 7:01PM
It's cute how you guys think the government isn't already snooping through your emails, no matter how secure you think they are.
AoMoe @ Mar 12th 2008 7:45PM
Yea! We have to keep an eye on all those crooked politician.
Marty @ Mar 12th 2008 8:11PM
Next they'll want to shut down all their casinos.
Bud Brown @ Mar 12th 2008 8:33PM
Agreed!
I love my BB. Live with it. Swear by it. Tell everyone I know.
But I'll go back to a Daytimer if it keeps the gov't nose out!