Samsung aiming for water-powered cellphones by 2010
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Esat Dedezade @ Apr 18th 2008 6:17PM
By 2010?
I know I'm naturally pessimistic, but damn, I doubt that.
UKNigel @ Apr 18th 2008 7:44PM
I second your doubt. That's a really optimistic figure if they in fact said "We'll all be running our cell phones on water by 2010". Of course, if they could perfect the technology, I have no doubt it would catch on, but by 2010? Nope.
spacegravity4me @ Apr 18th 2008 6:19PM
oooooooooooooooooooo raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Peter @ Apr 18th 2008 6:23PM
This just in Water reaches record high at $99 per barrel
Drew Scott @ Apr 18th 2008 6:28PM
I find this kind of ironic since my monthly insurance premium for my phone doesn't cover water damage.
MARSHAK @ Apr 18th 2008 11:43PM
and it still won't in 2010.
IMHO @ Apr 18th 2008 6:31PM
So now when I drop my phone in the toilet, I'm just recharging it. Sweet!
tsylee @ Apr 18th 2008 6:36PM
The korean is hard to read :/
Esat Dedezade @ Apr 18th 2008 6:41PM
Is it because you need resding glasses?
Or perhaps you do not know any Korean?
Damn, what the hell is wrong with me, two sensible posts in one article. Not one random comment. This studying (or lack of) for exams is taking its toll on me :(
Jerome @ Apr 18th 2008 6:41PM
I don't understand why they don't stick with lithium battery? In 2010 the battery power might be even better!
With water battery, you won't be able to recharge the cell phone in your car or somewhere else! You will probably need this special seringue and big water purifier to charge your cell phone.
Can't wait to see that!
LC @ Apr 18th 2008 6:41PM
Cellphones running on water? Who wants that?
What we need is cars running on water. Then we can counter the coming floods from global warming and all of man kinds problems will be solved.....
Esat Dedezade @ Apr 18th 2008 6:44PM
What about the theory that the earth naturally cycles through ice ages like it has done many times before in the past? According to calculations (obviously rough calculations) we are due another ice age and there's nothing we can really do about it.
Off course that's just what I heard and cutting down on our CO2 emmissions obviously can't be a bad thing.
Damn, another sensible post. I'm going to bed now, I'm so tired I'm sensible. I need to get some sleep and re-energise my crazy.
Good night.
hypereric @ Apr 18th 2008 9:09PM
@Esat Dedezade: Please do not disturb our collective wisdom with your inane rambling about facts... and please refrain from mentioning that Mars, Venus and even our itty bitty former-planet named Pluto all have been recorded as heating up lately. Please, for the love of all that is good and right, don't mention our main star (the s_n, shhhh!) is going through an especially aggressive phase.
And please do not mention that Gore, our beloved knight in shining armor, has a large stake in the carbon credit/debit trading market.
You really need to do some research. I mean, the butterfly effect, aptly given the scientific name of the Chaos Theory, has *all* been figured out... right? Right comrade? Comrade?
Thank you for not "upsetting the apple-cart".
Josh Gelata @ Apr 18th 2008 6:45PM
"developed a method to generate hydrogen by exposing water to metal"
This may satisfiy most people but being as this is the kind of thing i'm studying allow me to impart some wisdom. Water against a metal(usually platinum) electrode is half of what we call a galvanic cell. One may know it as a battery. This isn't anything new so clearly they've come up with some kind of new technology. I would be rather interested to know what that is or is this just Samsung playing the political "lets be green" game?
Kamokazi @ Apr 18th 2008 7:01PM
I would also assume the metal gets completely oxidized at some point and needs replacing, too. Like you said, I think it's more green hippie PR than marketable product.
Kevin @ Jun 14th 2008 11:54AM
It doesn't run on water. It runs on a metal being consumed by a reaction with water. I can't read Korean, but judging from the diagram I'm fairly confident it's Magnesium. The magnesium combines with the water and forms Hydrogen and Magnesium Hydroxide. So how do we convert the Magnesium Hydroxide back into Magnesium? It's not like we'll be able to just pour more water in and expect more power. These batters will likely last a long time, but they won't be easily recharged.
It's green B.S.
Lowest Ranked @ Apr 18th 2008 6:45PM
I hope to God there isn't a water pump humming in my ear when I'm on the phone.
nikola @ Apr 18th 2008 7:59PM
"green hippie PR"?
What you just said is that any hydrogen fuel cell thats as simple as adding water is "green hippie PR". I guess Dailmer has alot of money to waste because they're promising to spend 21BILLION dollars in R&D developing hydrogen tech, or as you call it "green hippie PR".
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/18/daimler-gets-serious-about-randd-will-increase-spending-to-21-bi/
I bet you work for GenerallyMalevolent.
Kamokazi @ Apr 19th 2008 10:56AM
No, what I said is that Samsung announcing a water-powered cell phone by 2010 is Public Relations bulls**t meant to make the 'green'-obsessed hippies think that Samsung is cool and buy their products, and more importantly, stock. I could care less about economical car technologies (hell I could really care less about cars, period) and what company you think is better than the other for researching one or the other.
Oh, for the record, it's spelled Daimler, and you replied to the wrong post. Nice work.
(And I do happen to drive a GM...hopefully that pisses you off.)
Mark @ Apr 18th 2008 6:50PM
why don't they just push it a bit more and make this phone run on air?
staniel @ Apr 18th 2008 6:58PM
yea...and psystar is really selling an openmac computer.
Matt @ Apr 18th 2008 7:15PM
You have to replace the cartridge every 5 days? How much is a cartridge? Not too "green" if you are throwing away used cartridges all the time... or economical.
nikola @ Apr 18th 2008 8:00PM
What the site said:
"If the user uses the phone for four hours a day on average, they would have to change the hydrogen cartridge about every five days," Oh said. "Later handsets will be developed that don't need the hydrogen cartridges to be changed, and would only need to be filled with water."
If the cartridge is just a piece of rusted metal I doubt thats harmful to the environment, and I doubt they will be expensive at all as the new product has to be marketable. It shouldn't be a surprise that they want to see if people will even buy into the idea before they invest in more expense non-cartridge models.
Don't be an idiot all the time, try and think so we don't have to correct you.
Matt @ Apr 18th 2008 8:45PM
@ nikola:
Umm dude I just said exactly what the article said. You have to change the cartridge every 5 days. You are the one making the assumption that the cartridge is "just a piece of rusted metal." The article doesn't say anything about the composition of the cartridge. Also, I doubt it is just metal. I'm sure it has a plastic casing to hold the water. I think my question asking how much a cartridge costs was perfectly valid considering they don't mention that in the article. And that would be an important consideration to someone wanting to purchase a phone like that. Let's say you keep the phone for 2 years. That is 146 cartridges in that time period. Even if the cartridges are only $1.99/each that adds up to almost $300. Regardless if you "doubt thats harmful to the environment," you are still creating trash by disposing of used cartridges. Like I said in my comment it is not "green" to be throwing away cartridges. Are you saying that trash is not harmful to the environment?
And what do you mean by "Don't be an idiot all the time"? This is actually my first time posting on this site. And please tell me where you "corrected" me. I stated exactly what the article did.
Were my questions out of line so much that they warranted calling me "an idiot"? Jeez... Last time I'll post here.
rlynd3 @ Apr 19th 2008 2:42AM
Welcome Matt, don't mind nikola he/she is the exception to the rule. it is usually fairly safe to post here. and often times you can spark a lively debate if you mind your p's and q's. oh and a word of caution don't mention apple, MS, PS3, xbox or t-mobile and please avoid phrases like; "will it blend" or "does it play doom" and you'll be fine. Welcome aboard, Johnson will show you around...
drewls @ Apr 18th 2008 8:13PM
This is when the environazis will finally remember that water vapor is the most prevalent greenhouse gas, thus telling us that we'll need to be 'water neutral' and buy 'water credits' because it's water that's causing the earth to warm .
Come to think of it, it's more believable than the carbon thing...
nikola @ Apr 18th 2008 8:48PM
Boo. Is samsung an environazi now? I must have missed the update from FauxNews.
+. @ Jun 13th 2008 4:35PM
oh noes! someone's trying to be....... eco-friendly! those nazi bastards!
remember kids, when you try to save the earth, you're really supporting COMMUNISM.
Michael LaFramboise @ Apr 18th 2008 8:15PM
Umm... would this allow me to recharge the phone using *my* yellowish liquid?
rouge @ Apr 18th 2008 9:23PM
ew, dude.
Mark @ Apr 18th 2008 9:46PM
he could have mentioned another bodily fluid ...
white ... ish.
Reader @ Apr 18th 2008 11:05PM
Who knows, maybe that was the liquid he was mentioning...
steve @ Apr 18th 2008 11:25PM
what if it wasnt water proof......
Che @ Apr 19th 2008 12:58AM
Only problem is the laws of thermodynamics. Unless the metal is consumed in the process, exposing water to a metal to magically generate hydrogen, which is then oxidized back to water, presumably in a fuel cell, with a net release of energy is simply a fancy perpetual motion machine. It violates the laws of physics, so I wouldn't delay my next phone purchase waiting for this.
Samsung is not claiming a perpetual motion machine. What they seem to have in mind is a system for generating hydrogen by reacting a highly reactive metal with water. There are certainly metals that react with water and, in the process, release hydrogen. A good example would be metalic (elemental) sodium. Toss sodium metal into water and you get sodium hydroxide, hydrogen and heat, which usually results in an entertaining explosion. If that were the method, the phone would be better described as powered by metallic sodium (the reactive compound not usually found sitting around on the surface of the Earth), not by water (the relatively non-reactive stuff that's all around us and is essentially free). However, I don't see a market for phones that you have to add metalic sodium to in order to get them to run. We're mostly made out of water and we tend to live longer when not exposed to concentrated solutions of sodium hydroxide, to say nothing of all the amusing explosions. Phones powered in this way would make you look back fondly on the days of the exploding lithium batteries.
Karl @ Apr 22nd 2008 3:55PM
Good post, Che. (Haven't I seen your face on a T-shirt?) One o' these days, centuries, it will sink into common knowledge that just because there's hydrogen "in" water, that doesn't mean that unlimited free energy is simply a matter of finding the right catalyst to get that hydrogen "out" of water.
Personally, I recharge my cellphone by hooking it up to a little desktop windmill generator. This generator also powers a desktop fan that blows onto the windmill, making it turn and generating the power that runs the fan that blows onto the windmill...
jonyb @ Apr 19th 2008 7:03AM
this sounds like a recipe for exploding phones if u ask me.
mb9221 @ Apr 19th 2008 9:41AM
aaaaaaaa
Jake @ Apr 19th 2008 11:29AM
there actually are water-hybrid conversions available for cars.
check out http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com
smk @ Apr 19th 2008 4:44PM
Unfortunately for those of us who have to drive in the winter, this (and similar ideas live veggie oil conversions) just doesn't quite work. Nice try though.
Mark @ Apr 19th 2008 12:04PM
what does Samsung plan to do for people who have to live with winter for half the year??
smk @ Apr 19th 2008 4:44PM
That's what I was thinking... water still freezes at 0 (for Canadians and any other country using C, 32 everywhere else). Even so, there's no way to tell how efficient this will be - temperatures do matter in science.
Jenny @ Apr 20th 2008 3:17AM
Passing the doubts of that actually happening..
I bet the phone won't tolerate getting dunked in water.
Just wait for the idiots to dunk it and whine- but it RUNS off water?!
Cassini @ Apr 20th 2008 3:56AM
Hey, a mobile device running off water - that's great - who wouldn't want that? But I'd much rather see this tech in our cars.
bodzasfanta @ Apr 21st 2008 4:52AM
I just want to know what is "Me"? A new element? Metal? ... lol
Andrew @ Jun 7th 2008 8:05AM
Need a new musical. Can anyone humm a few bars of "Talking in the Rain"?