Napster unleashes a-la-carte, DRM-free MP3 store
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
brad @ May 20th 2008 10:55AM
now this is a tempting switch from itunes
ugahairydawgs @ May 20th 2008 11:34AM
As opposed to Amazon?
Quix @ May 20th 2008 12:06PM
And the labels continue to screw over the vast majority of their customers in trying to manipulate the market by allowing Amazon and Napster to sell DRM-free music and not allowing Apple to do the same with iTunes.
To their attempt to screw me, I reply: screw you.
John @ May 20th 2008 12:23PM
@quix. I think it is more about Apple locking you into their ecosystem than the music industry not wanting to sell music.
The fact is, if there is no reason to stay locked into iTunes, then other media players seem a lot better than the iPod family.
Quix @ May 20th 2008 12:53PM
@ John:
Wrong. Just flat out wrong. Jobs publicly proclaimed that DRM needs to die. And one of the major label executives was quoted as saying they were happy to keep Apple locked in DRM for awhile to allow their competitors a little catch-up time. This is a deliberate attempt by the labels to try to knock some points off Apple's market share. It's anti-competitive and it's sleazy.
This "Apple wants to lock you in with DRM" chestnut is complete rubbish - just more FUD from the traditional Apple-hating horde. If the media companies would allow it, Apple would go DRM-free on every single song they sell. Right now. Today.
0megapart!cle @ May 20th 2008 1:02PM
Quix, you poor misguided fool. Apple gets as much or more from the DRM on iTunes tracks as the labels get. They get every one of the customers who buys the vast majority of tracks from iTMS being locked into the iPod family (if they don't want to transcode to mp3 or break the DRM, which most people don't even know is possible).
As far as the "anti-competitive" actions of the labels in giving the vast majority of their DRM-free tracks to Apple's competitors, you do know the extremely powerful market position that Apple holds, don't you? If Apple wanted to force the issue, they could, and the labels wouldn't have a choice (or they could remove their music like NBC, but I don't think they are in the position to take that action). Apple likes the situation the way it is, and they will change it when they have no choice (because Amazon, Napster, etc. are taking a meaningful chunk of their marketshare).
Quix @ May 20th 2008 1:11PM
@ 0megapart!cle:
Wallow in your Apple-hating ignorance if you must. Just don't pretend you know what you're talking about.
"Convincing them to license their music to Apple and others DRM-free will create a truly interoperable music marketplace. Apple will embrace this wholeheartedly." - Steve Jobs
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/
Dudley @ May 20th 2008 1:27PM
Megaparticle, John,
Quix is completely correct.
You two are misguided for reasons that have little to do with the facts.
FACT: Apple originally wanted to sell DRM-free music, but only added DRM because the labels would not sell without it (and Apple needed a store). Google "steve jobs rolling stone". QUOTE from JOBS: "When we first went to talk to these record companies -- you know, it was a while ago. It took us 18 months. And at first we said: None of this technology that you're talking about's gonna work. We have Ph.D.'s here, that know the stuff cold, and we don't believe it's possible to protect digital content. --No one's gonna shut down the Internet. And it only takes one stolen copy to be on the Internet. And the way we expressed it to them is: Pick one lock -- open every door. It only takes one person to pick a lock. Worst case: Somebody just takes the analog outputs of their CD player and rerecords it -- puts it on the Internet. You'll never stop that. So what you have to do is compete with it."
FACT: Microsoft "opened" up its "ecosystem", and it only proliferated DRM everywhere, and caused the problems Apple foresaw, to the point where Microsoft is now "killing off" support for people that need to reauthorize music they've purchased in the future (if they change machines, etc). Check out the recent stories on the MSN music servers.
FACT: Apple would GLADLY sell music without DRM, because they use their store as a loss-leader (they are now selling digital movies at a $1 per sale loss). Apple knows that they have other "controls" on retaining customers, like their brand, ease-of-use solutions, and cultural strangle-hold. Not to mention their patents and arrangements like the Made-for-iPod program. If it makes it easier on consumers to use their products (and they sell more hardware through that reason) Apple is for it.
FACT: Apple TRIED to "force" the issue. Don't you remember? They made their huge announcement with EMI and offered it to all of their other partners. Universal snubbed them, and everyone else began to realize that they could use this as a lever. --Only, Apple still wins. If all the other stores become iPod compatible, and still require people to load their iPods through some joint solution with iTunes... Apple wins. Apple would not have created iTunes if ease-to-use solutions had already existed. They felt they could do it better.
FACT: Apple would even make FREE non-DRM music and content available through iTunes if they could... oh, hang on a minute... they already DO! They're called podcasts, and you can move them wherever you like. "Foot-traffic" is king, and creating barriers discourages consumer usage and the entire "ease of use" experience.
The music industry needs to sell DRM-Free music EVERYWHERE. People will continue to buy from iTunes regardless, and they're only creating more and more buyers that are "locked in" to DRM. Apple has left the door open for more new "iTunes Plus" partners to see the light. They only need to walk into it. It's moronic.
d @ May 20th 2008 10:58AM
historical pirate networK?
I'm pretty sure pirates didn't have internet.
Seriously, though, what does En mean?
BuddyBoy @ May 20th 2008 11:00AM
Napster used to be a file sharing network used to pirate mp3s
Brian @ May 20th 2008 11:46AM
OMG, I feel old. I can't believe there are people that don't know Napster's beginnings...
John Stracke @ May 20th 2008 12:12PM
@BuddyBoy: except that was a completely different company; Roxio bought the brand after Napster was forced into bankruptcy. The Engadget author here is being sloppy by identifying the current Napster with the old P2P network.
Kamokazi @ May 20th 2008 12:15PM
I know Brian, it scares me too. I just keep telling myself he lied when it asked him if he was 13...but I don't think that's the case....
Tk @ May 20th 2008 12:29PM
I think you guys are missing the joke. 'Historical' and 'pirates' conjures up guys with eyepatches, not file sharing.
nh @ May 21st 2008 5:06AM
Pirates only have Internet when there's a nearby ship with unsecure wireless.
BuddyBoy @ May 20th 2008 10:59AM
Bah! Seems to be US only, just like Amazon.
I want proper access to DRM free in the UK not just the selection of EMI and the indies we get.
Hellios @ May 20th 2008 11:12AM
Don't we all (want these services in EU)
Also, Napser brings such nice memories, I vividly remember downloading so many copies of Music and all of them were corrupt at the end.
mark @ May 20th 2008 11:56AM
Apparantly it's coming to the UK with the next software update. They're refusing to say when that'll actually happen tho :P
fanman @ May 20th 2008 1:50PM
You never know, they might even bother to convert the prices into pounds rather than think it's OK to just change the symbol and charge us double.
Mutant @ May 20th 2008 2:39PM
@BuddyBoy
I feel your pain. In Canada we don't have anybody with a good selection of MP3s either. There is Puretracks but their selection is spotty.
I have money to spend and the music companies are making it hard for me to give them that money!!! WAKE UP music industry.
Backwards People @ May 20th 2008 11:01AM
Subscribers will remain in DRM land? The MP3s are DRM-free?
Which is it?
kevin @ May 20th 2008 11:05AM
Subscribers, aka those who sign up for a monthly flat rate "all you can eat" plan, have DRM.
People who buy the tunes a-la-carte, aka one song at a time for a set price per song, get the track DRM-free.
Galley @ May 20th 2008 11:30AM
The MP3 format does not support DRM.
gera @ May 20th 2008 11:05AM
Any info on bitrate or other such encoding details?
Jamie @ May 20th 2008 11:37AM
"content is available at a high-quality 256kbps bitrate, and downloaded tracks include high-resolution album art."
timmaughan @ May 20th 2008 11:11AM
No mac support = FAIL
telepheedian @ May 20th 2008 11:16AM
You pretty much signed up for vendor lock-in when you bought that mac.
Tirta Wijaya @ May 20th 2008 11:17AM
Why no support for Mac ?
You can buy the mp3 which is just using a normal browser (plus Adobe flash if you want to listen to preview).
the Mp3 can be downloaded to your ipod / any players without any problems.
But, if you are talking the DRM subscribers -> well, its up to you, but its a "no no" for some people.
timmaughan @ May 20th 2008 11:22AM
@telepheedin - LOL. Yeah. I have to get Jobbsy round just to turn the f**ker on....c'mon. Do non-mac users really believe this shit? Like i have no third party apps/hardware on my mac...LOL
@Tirta -really? I only had a very quick look, TBH - but seemed to be suggesting to me I had to d/l the app to get even the drm free stuff? will check it out again...
timmaughan @ May 20th 2008 11:42AM
Ah ok, mystery solved. I'm in the UK so it won't let me get at the online store. instead it's trying to get me to d/l the windows only client. sneaky...
RikF @ May 20th 2008 11:16AM
Sorry Joshua, but that is a contender for the most misleading title for a post! Napster has unleashed a DRM free store and an a-la-carte store, not an a-la-carte, DRM free store. Fail.
technophobe @ May 20th 2008 11:25AM
the table d'hôte (subsription) is not DRM Free, a la carte (individual) is!
RikF @ May 20th 2008 11:32AM
I wasn't complaining about my ability to discover this, I was complaining about the shoddy title to the post!
waterwagen @ May 20th 2008 12:01PM
The store is a-la-carte and drm free. What is misleading about the title?
RikF @ May 20th 2008 12:06PM
The comma implies a connection between DRM-free and a-la-carte. The title suggests a DRM-free, a-la-carte store, rather than a DRM-free store as well as an a-la-carte one.
Fliberty @ May 20th 2008 12:19PM
You're an idiot... The a-la-carte store /is/ DRM-free. Instead of analyzing the title, why don't you read the article.
Michael @ May 20th 2008 2:29PM
What you are missing, sir, is that a-la-carte MEANS "by it self". So, an a-la-carte store means buying MP3 one at a time.
I believe you are thinking a-la-carte is all you can eat, which is NOT the case.
webon @ May 20th 2008 11:22AM
napster... bad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS6udST6lbE
Bob Roberts @ May 20th 2008 1:03PM
Fire, BAD!
bcohen1983 @ May 20th 2008 11:23AM
Napster to go is great, even with DRM... because it's easy to remove the DRM. Not that I'd condone or suggest such a thing, of course. DRMDBG is a useful tool to research.
Michael @ May 20th 2008 4:03PM
That is pretty impressive.
Pingmeister @ May 20th 2008 11:28AM
Been looking for a reasonable way to acquire MP3s legitimately. Will look into this.
waterwagen @ May 20th 2008 12:02PM
Amazon already offers this type of store, though I don't know how their library size compares. I've been able to find pretty much all the artists I like though.
Ed @ May 20th 2008 12:14PM
I can't believe it took us 9 years to get to this point... and we're still not there as I'm in the UK!
Soon I will feel guilty if I pirate music, but not until there's a legal way for me to do what I was doing 9 years ago - e.g. clicking on a song,downloading it, using it as I want.
But good work Napster on being one of the first.
John Stracke @ May 20th 2008 12:15PM
Ugh—their UI is made up to look like iTunes, and doesn't cope with different font sizes. The result is that, in my browser, the line spacing is half the font size, so I can't read most of the text.
I'll stick with Amazon.
Steffen Jobbs @ May 20th 2008 12:17PM
Apple is quaking in it's boots.....NOT! iTunes is A#1.
David @ May 20th 2008 12:20PM
Which is now the better option for MP3 purchase, Napster or Amazon? .......Don't say iTunes Fanboy.
David @ May 20th 2008 12:24PM
iTunes is A#2
Greg @ May 20th 2008 1:08PM
hmm... the mp3s only seem to be 128kbps. You're better off using amazon.com
GreezyG @ May 20th 2008 1:26PM
1 word.... MuvAudio.. google it :D worth every penny