SSDs save battery power, right? Wrong.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Pete @ Jul 1st 2008 4:37PM
The graphic there doesn't seem to support that idea. Seems all the SSD drives in the graphic eat less power than that standard HDD. Maybe a different graphic should have been picked here?
hawksfan03 @ Jul 1st 2008 4:44PM
Look again. The higher number does not mean better when you are looking at power consumption.
jason @ Jul 1st 2008 4:45PM
I know, all the ssd's seem to consume less.
and according to the graphic, when they are idle they take 1/2 the power, which contradicts the post that "whereas SSDs use full power whenever they're in use"
wth engadget... this article makes no sense.
Pete @ Jul 1st 2008 4:47PM
I understand that: 2 of the drives are lower in idle 2 are higher - unfortunately for the standard drive: all drives are lower than it. The top 2 drives pretty much solidly kick that drive's butt.
Endejas @ Jul 1st 2008 4:52PM
While it may seem like that, if people read the article, they would know the HDD peaks at the state, while the SSD is constantly in that state.
Endejas @ Jul 1st 2008 4:53PM
Nevermind, Jason just pointed something out I didn't even see.
So now I'm wondering too.
Alan @ Jul 1st 2008 4:55PM
The graphic is indeed misleading, the article explains it much better. The jist is that while the standard drive can do worse, with average use you don't gain much battery life saving, if at all. Also interesting is that the SanDisk does indeed consume much less power, but is lower performing in other benchmarks.
loosely_coupled @ Jul 1st 2008 6:45PM
The graph appears to be wrong.
The article does indeed show that for at least the SSDs and HDDs they tested, the SSDs consumer more power on average.
However, I do NOT think that this pattern will hold into the future. Manufacturers have been finding ways to optimize and lower the power usage of mobile harddrives for over a decade, and power-saving features are now very mature.
On the other hand, SSDs are an incredibly young technology, and there are not even basic power saving measures integrated yet. I'm sure as the technology quickly matures, manufacturers will develop a range of power saving techniques and optimizations that will allow SSDs to take the power usage crown as well as having incredible performance.
Wesburl @ Jul 1st 2008 6:50PM
Timothy Sottek @ Jul 1st 2008 9:37AM
Tom's Hardware just did a recent comparison between SSD power consumption and traditional platter drives.
If you're going to put that in a laptop beware: SSDs drain batteries FASTER than platter drives!
BobTurbo @ Jul 1st 2008 9:54AM
"SSDs drain batteries FASTER than platter drives!"
Correction: The SSDs tested using TH's methodology did not perform as well as the platter HDD.
Timothy Sottek @ Jul 1st 2008 10:08AM
Correction, part deux:
"However, we have discovered that the power savings aren’t there: in fact, battery runtimes actually decrease if you use a flash SSD."
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-hdd-battery,1955.html
BobTurbo @ Jul 1st 2008 10:19AM
Nope, I don't think you understand yet. Let me come back tomorrow and see if anything has changed.
(AND FINALLY)
Jeff @ Jul 1st 2008 12:36PM
I'll be less vague than Bob. The TH article was, as usual, significantly flawed. The benchmark they used to test battery life restarts itself after each completion, doing so until the battery is dead. However, the article did not report how many times the benchmark was able to run on the SSD vs. the mechanical HD.
The reason this is a critical flaw is that, as their own graphs show, the performance of the SSD was substantially better than the other HD. With a slower drive, the CPU spends a larger proportion of time in idle mode, as the system is blocking on IO, waiting for the slow drive to return data.
With the faster SSD, the CPU spends less time idling. It is using more power, but also doing more work. If TH had reported the number of times the benchmark ran on each machine, we would have seen the SSD machine run the benchmark many times more than the mechanical drive. Their conclusions are flat-out wrong.
The whole exercise was very silly to begin with. An SSD draws less power in use than a mechanical drive does while idle. Of course it will improve, or at least not effect, battery life. The article you reference is just another sad example of the decade-long slump Tom's Hardware has faced.
Danakin @ Jul 1st 2008 4:38PM
Good findings...This is very important, thanks for sharing!
Matt @ Jul 1st 2008 8:36PM
Unfortunately, the article comes to miserably faulty conclusions, and nobody seems to have noticed it.
One thing everybody needs to note is this: the test that Tom's ran was designed to run a program to completion over and over again. All that Tom's came up with, thanks to that test, is that the computer with the SSD ran out of power faster. What they SHOULD have noticed, and what any sane and logical tester would have done, is counted the number of times the program RAN. A system with an SSD will run the program a significantly higher number of times because of its increased speed and lack of moving parts. With the higher number of runs, the CPU STAYS MORE ACTIVE, sucking more power out of the system and thus causing it to power down earlier. The only reason the HDD system died later is because the CPU idles waiting for it to retrieve data.
The SSD may have chewed up your battery faster, but it did, comparatively, run through that program a BUNCH more times. I am willing to bet the work per watt was much better out of the SSD system than the HDD - and once again, Tom's Hardware's scientific testing system proves itself anything but.
Ghen @ Jul 2nd 2008 9:43AM
This is just like when any new technology comes out. People wonder why we need it and the old technology works just fine. Case in point, every memory advance we've ever made. DDR2 had faster speeds but higher latency so many people put it off as a failed technology without waiting for it to grow.
By the time ANYONE commenting here will be able to buy a reasonably priced high capacity SSD I'm sure they will be more efficient!
Blaine Oliver @ Jul 1st 2008 4:38PM
I was just on about this in the post about the 905/904 whatever version EEE that they were talking about.
SSDs are either on or off so low power or full power
HDDs are either low power or varied power according to use.
A low voltage SSD with a high usage voltage will use more power than a low voltage HDD with a moderate usage voltage.
Wesburl @ Jul 1st 2008 6:58PM
The "on or off, low power or full power" might hold some ground... but even so, SSD's typically use less power full load than low load/spin hard drives... This is a TH review that I would not make references to.
rayw @ Jul 1st 2008 10:06PM
There are fundamental flaws with this argument. Tom's Hardware conducted this review with flawed testing. It says "Read The Article" - I did that, and came to the same conclusion as many who commented on the original article itself.
The geist of it is: The experiment was done measuring a repetition of tasks through a period of time. However if you did the task 3 times faster than your competitor, you'd have to divide your power usage per period of time by three. Otherwise the results don't make sense.
This is beside the other obvious mistakes like "If a SSD is consuming a maximum 1W of power, then there is no possible way it can drain a fixed number of Wh from a battery faster than another drive that draws a minimum of 1.1W of power."
I think the majority of articles from Tom's Hardware is essentially good - this particular article drips of sensationalist news one normally associate with "technical writers" from your local rag.
Dee @ Jul 1st 2008 4:38PM
Ha-Ha!
Anthony @ Jul 1st 2008 4:40PM
Well... that sucks.
Doggerts @ Jul 1st 2008 4:43PM
Looks like the SanDisk and MemoRight are using less power than the Hitachi disc drive... I'm correct in assuming the Hitachi is indeed a dis drive, yes? Its 200Gb.
joueboy @ Jul 1st 2008 4:45PM
we got scammed again by tech capitalist!
thedesolate1 @ Jul 1st 2008 4:45PM
I suggest they give the technology time and it will eventually be better than regular HD's..... I believe they run quieter, boot faster and have a cooler temp... so those are the benefits as of right now.
Mile @ Jul 1st 2008 4:49PM
And lighter, right?
morcheeba @ Jul 1st 2008 5:10PM
Actually, temperature is related to power consumption because that's where the all the heat comes from - so a lower power HDD would be cooler than a SSD that takes more average power. But, add mechanical durability to the list of SSD advantages.
redspear @ Jul 1st 2008 5:21PM
@morcheeba
That isn't true the wattage would determine the max heat but where all that heat comes from is in fact lost energy. Of curse the more power you run htrough something the more heat is put out becuase the more energy si lost. But since SSDs and HDs are vastly different technology SSDs do not lose as much energy as an HD so it can in fact be cooler.
mikeg @ Jul 1st 2008 5:51PM
exactly.
i have a laptop with an SSD drive, and also the EXACT same configuration with a 5400rpm HDD.
the fan that turns on to cool the WASTE heat generated by the HDD will eat the battery faster than the HDD or SSD itself.
HDD have moving parts which turn electical energy into motion based energy.
This is a very inefficient process and thus a large amount of the electrical energy is turned into heat.
since the ssd does not have moving parts, it is not facing the same electrical to physical energy transference and therefore is actually more energy efficient when taken as a whole system.
Rivus @ Jul 1st 2008 4:47PM
Well, then... My attention is now shifted even further away from the Eee series.
Jisoon @ Jul 1st 2008 4:47PM
PWN3D C1T1Z3N5!!
Mile @ Jul 1st 2008 4:48PM
Just like everything else (such as say, Nuclear Power), I and the rest of the American Public refuse to change our opinion just because new facts have come to light!
Nuclear Power is not safe! Not at all and should not ever be allowed to be built ever again!
DDT will kill all the birds!
SSDs save battery power!
MarsDTA @ Jul 1st 2008 4:49PM
well the sandisk SSD sure seems to be more efficient.. so im confused
Waldo @ Jul 1st 2008 4:49PM
I replaced the 1.8" 4200 rpm ATA drive that came with my Latitude X1 ultra-portable by a 32 GB SSD, and it's much snappier, cooler, and got a significant (10 to 20%) increase in battery life. So I would take this article with a grain of salt.
Dave @ Jul 1st 2008 5:28PM
I'm not sure I can trust someone I can't find.
Reader @ Jul 1st 2008 6:30PM
You can take this article with a grain of salt, but I'm sure as hell not going to take your comment for anything more than that. No offense, but Tom's Hardware benchmarking is a little more rigorous, scientific, and all inclusive than your one scenario. Also, it is possible to get more battery life out of an SSD as the article says, but it won't happen for the average user. So you may be 100% right, but their article proves how that's far from true for everyone.
Not a band geek @ Jul 2nd 2008 1:09PM
Hey Reader, check the comments of the TH article and you'll see he's right. The 'scientific' testing was anything but. The easiest test to perform and understand would be to watch watch a ripped DVD over and over until the laptop died. Not write testing but enough reading to debunk this hoax article.
Aaron Basrai @ Jul 1st 2008 4:53PM
I think this confirms what we already knew, don't buy a crappy mtron SSD.
www.ssdforums.com @ Jul 1st 2008 5:11PM
Pfft...
Skry @ Jul 1st 2008 4:55PM
Again I'm a little confued, according to that graph 50% of SSD's have lower power draws then a standard HDD in Idle and load. and the rest beat the HDD at load but not at idle. So basically the graph shows that SSD's have a lower power draw... which doesn't make much sense when you're stating that SSDs drain more power, when more then 75% of the time they draw less.
Owen @ Aug 2nd 2008 3:02PM
The test was flawed. The ssd completed the programs for the test faster and more efficiently because the cpu didn't have to wait long for a response but used up the power faster because of that. The Hdd took longer and the cpu had to wait more and idle using less power thus the hdd ran longer but took longer to preform the tests.
Skry @ Jul 1st 2008 4:59PM
Uhhmm the graph shows the opposite, it shows that all SSD's perform better then a conventional HDD under load, and most at idle.
TostitoBandito @ Jul 1st 2008 5:14PM
Read the article. It explains it much better than that graph does. Overall, the SSD's they tested drew more power in real-world applications than standard HDD's, mainly because they didn't have effective power saving features which result in them running at peak power nearly all of the time. A standard HDD runs at or near idle power consumption the vast majority of the time. While at peak consumption a HDD uses more power than a SSD, when you put them both in a real computer and test them the SSD draws more on average.
bebop @ Jul 1st 2008 5:11PM
Too lazy to read the article... but dont regular HDDs spend a lot of time spinning even when not accessing data, or spinning up to just write or read a tiny file, whereas the flash memory would be at essentially zero power unless it was actually accessing the memory?
You'd have to look at average power draw over say 30 minutes of typical usage to get a real sense of which system was more efficient.
Fred @ Jul 1st 2008 5:15PM
If you're too lazy to read the article, then why should anyone put in the energy to answer your question? You'll probably be too lazy to read the reply, too.
Read the article, dummy. Don't expect people to just spoonfeed it to you.
Fred @ Jul 1st 2008 5:12PM
Your data is more secure? Nonsense. Even SSD's are guaranteed to fail eventually. Which means that you still have to make regular backups.. just like with a regular hard drive, or any storage device for that matter. So there goes that advantage out the window too.
So what have we got? They're just as secure, more power hungry, only marginally faster, and way more expensive than regular HDD's. Why on earth should I want an SSD then?
linuxamp @ Jul 1st 2008 6:05PM
In related news Apple announces the new HDD iPhone with improved battery life.
dreamscape86 @ Jul 1st 2008 6:32PM
That's the question I've been asking since SSDs starting coming into vogue. I see the value of SSDs in specific applications where it's necessary, but I don't see why we necessarily *should* make an industry-wide transition to them. It's just not necessary.
MonkeyHood @ Jul 1st 2008 5:16PM
Guys, the yellow bar represent PEAK power consumption. A HDD only uses peak power when the actuators move the read heads. A HDD can consume close to idle power when reading data and not moving it's heads.
A SSD on the other hand has two modes. Idle and In use. While in use, the SSD consumes the maximum power.
Mile @ Jul 1st 2008 5:24PM
I think people believe that when you are reading or writing data from HDDs then the actuators are moving the heads and you have peak power and when you are reading or writing data from SDDs then it is "in use" and is using peak power, but the SDDs are "in use" until the power time out hits - not when data isn't being sent to and from.
TostitoBandito @ Jul 1st 2008 5:18PM
Everyone who hasn't read the article just read this page instead:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-hdd-battery,1955-13.html
Much better graph which shows actual mobilemark bettery runtime results. The graph engadget used is just the specs for power consumption for the drives tested, which is nearly meaningless if you read the article (it explains in detail why).
Basic @ Jul 1st 2008 6:15PM
That's the runtime value weighted by it's performance number.
What the graph actually means is a whole lot of nothing.
This graph is slightly better, but I and others question the methodology used here.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-hdd-battery,1955-12.html
What we need is a battery-loading benchmark which is representative of REAL-WORLD USE. For example: boot up the machine with maximum charge at a controlled temperature and sit it on 5-6 auto-refreshing controlled content web pages. Reduce all the other power outlays to the minimum - Vista power saver mode, turn down the brightness, but maybe keep the wireless network connection just to keep it close to a real use-case.
Toms didn't do that - they ran a benchmark designed to "keep the notebook busy" and surprise, surprise the SSD's died faster under load - disproportionately to the power they consumed (perhaps NOT disproportionately to the work achieved in that time... but Tom's doesn't tell us how much "work" was achieved relative to the drive's performance... they don't even mention the power-saving settings.
Check out the test setup:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-hdd-battery,1955-7.html
What's missing here? Oh... Vista SP1 would be a MUCH better choice than a server-based OS.
Basic @ Jul 2nd 2008 1:59PM
ALSO... Tom's failed to include the SAMSUNG MCBQE32G5MPP-0VA00 a new drive which is nearly as fast as the mtron and MUCH more power efficient if the sales literature is to be believed.... oh and they're awesome cheap (compared to mtron).
Xtort @ Jul 1st 2008 5:20PM
I think I'll skip the SSD until a later gen simply because you're whoring a website. :P
caleb @ Jul 1st 2008 5:26PM
I love it when a review validtates my hardware purchasing choice. Yay 7K200!