Apple working on streaming your iTunes library to your iPhone?
Apple's experimented with allowing iTunes to stream over the internet as well as your LAN in the past and quickly removed the feature (probably due to RIAA pressure), so we're not placing too much stock in this, but AppleInsider's unearthed a patent that seems to describe a way to stream music over the 'net to your iPhone / iPod touch. The goal is to prevent you from having to selectively sync content to your device -- instead, you'd sync just the metadata and stream whatever you wanted direct from your machine as though it was all stored locally. There are some obvious problems here -- it wouldn't work if you didn't have service (or over EDGE, really), most home upstream connections aren't that fast, etc., etc., -- but it's certainly interesting, and a welcome addition to local storage if it ever makes the scene. In the meantime, how about working in some of those new UI elements from the Remote app into the iPod app?
[Via Macrumors, thanks Mark]
[Via Macrumors, thanks Mark]















Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
crscott @ Aug 7th 2008 6:43PM
ummmm...aren't these the same guys that can just delete apps off your phone? Is it really a good idea to let them anywhere near your music collection?
jere @ Aug 7th 2008 7:05PM
A lot of people have music collections in itunes, including me. I'm terrified, but so far apple's managed to restrain from deleting any of my albums.
jere @ Aug 7th 2008 7:06PM
that should be "refrain"
Chris Aubeck @ Aug 7th 2008 7:37PM
I use iTunes as a player and backup for the music I store on an external drive. Surely no-one trusts software like this alone to safeguard an important amount of data?
Wolfticket @ Aug 7th 2008 8:04PM
It's probably be fine, as Apple are not actually evil. However, I do like to keep my content provider separate to my content playing software/devices, just for piece of mind. Ripped CDs FTW.
Steffen Jobbs @ Aug 7th 2008 10:25PM
Might be a good thing for you if Apple did alter your music collection. They could get rid of all of those country music/rockabilly songs you listen to and put some nice jazz or R&B music in their place. You can then replace those snakeskin sodkickers with a pair of Skechers.
hiko36 @ Aug 8th 2008 1:55AM
@ Erik
So everyone throws a fit when Bush monitors our phones, but it's ok for Apple?
bondsbw @ Aug 8th 2008 8:12AM
@ Hiko
1) There are differences between a government and a corporation, namely: you may choose to contract yourself with a corporation, but have no choice about obeying the government; and the constitution places restrictions on the government, not on the people or businesses.
2) Apple is not monitoring your device. You are freely giving them information about your purchases by the simple fact that you make them.
3) And as an extension to 2), Apple is not disabling applications based on monitoring your usage of them. They are disabling applications based on the author's abuse or negligence regarding the rules of the SDK.
4) It sucks... if Apple disables a paid application, they had better issue a refund or face class-action lawsuits.
Tim Spence @ Aug 7th 2008 6:49PM
I've thought about something similar for ages - why do I need to connect my wireless-connected iPhone to my wireless-connected laptop with a piece of metal, to sync my iTunes?
After all, I can access the iTunes Store from my iPhone wirelessly, why can't I access my local iTunes wirelessly too?
rock99rock @ Aug 7th 2008 9:15PM
You can, its called ORB, and it has been out for half a decade.
This news really sucks, kinda the nail in the coffin for ORB's official application.
Mitch @ Aug 7th 2008 10:06PM
Kinda reminds me of a device that Microsoft made, don't remember the name right now starts with a Z and rhymes with Tune.....hmmmm.
neofolklore @ Aug 8th 2008 7:53AM
well. Alot of college campuses are promoting use of the iPhone/Touch for acedemic purposes, having alot of people on the same wireless network would make this useful, which college campuses tend to have.
Brad @ Aug 8th 2008 7:16PM
@neofolklore
Well, actually, "alot"(sic) of college campuses AREN'T. A handful, maybe 8 at the most, private, liberal arts colleges are. Kind of like colleges that "recommend" Apple - it'd be irresponsible at best, destructive at worst.
The rest of the world, especially the adult world, does not run on Apple. It would be a disservice to teach college kids Apple, and turn them loose on the job market, utterly inept when it comes to using business computers and tools.
But it sure does fuel the RDF, doesn't it?
Mike Cornett @ Aug 7th 2008 6:50PM
Sounds like Dot.Tunes or Simplify Media...Apple needs to catch up!
letstakeawalk @ Aug 7th 2008 7:12PM
Also sounds similar to having an Orb account. I can stream music and video to my laptop through an internet connection from my hard drive back home. (live TV to if I felt like it too.) It does make it very convienent not to have to worry about storing everything locally on the device (netbook or PDA) I'm travelling with, knowing I can just pull it up from home.
ethan @ Aug 7th 2008 7:23PM
oh yeah, apple definately needs some catching up to do. They're still not selling iPhones in every single country in the world. They've only managed to sell a billion songs....they totally have some catching up to do with competition...
renob.
Frank @ Aug 7th 2008 9:12PM
Orb also streams to your phone, I use it with my HTC Apache to stream all my music, TV, or recorded TV. Have had it for probably 3 years now.
Fred @ Aug 7th 2008 6:54PM
Can't wait to see how that affects battery life.
CraigJ @ Aug 7th 2008 6:58PM
Shouldn't be any worse than Pandora or AOL Radio, neither of which I have issues with
Shunnabunich @ Aug 7th 2008 10:30PM
Can't wait to see how it affects phone bills, too.
"$11,841?! WHAT THE F***?!"
Fitz @ Aug 7th 2008 6:55PM
First, not iPhone-bashing here, but I've been able to do this on my WinMo phone for almost a year with a free beta software by GoGadgets. It's a little buggy, but hey it's free and a beta.
I can access my entire home music collection from my phone wherever I am as long as I have 3G or WiFi service, EDGE = fail.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2229908,00.asp
Amz @ Aug 7th 2008 6:59PM
You're totally iPhone bashing here, don't deny it.
Mike Cornett @ Aug 7th 2008 7:01PM
Been able to do that on the iPhone and iPod Touch since it's inception via Dot.Tunes and Simplify Media as well...
Fitz @ Aug 7th 2008 7:15PM
Well I don't have an iPod touch, so I was unaware software already existed.
You'd think the tech savvy people at Engadget would include that in the article..since it basically makes this patent not that big of deal.
xhadow.....what bit rate do you get of EDGE, seems like it would be pretty low. That's probably the issue I have as it must use a higher bitrate so EDGE won't cut it. I'll check and see if my software can be transcoded to a lower bitrate
ethan @ Aug 7th 2008 7:22PM
@ Mike Cornett,
thanks, we got the memo.
Setnev @ Aug 7th 2008 8:58PM
Edge=Fail only on T-Mobile with their stupid proxy connections and slow download speeds
xhadow @ Aug 7th 2008 7:02PM
Edge doesn't = Fail
I was using XM's streaming service as well as Orb for streaming music here in El Paso on a ATT 8525 well before they rolled out 3g a few months ago with no problems. So I don't see why itunes wouldn't work at streaming.
Jimodo @ Aug 7th 2008 7:16PM
Just being able to stream over LAN from my server to my iPhone (which I could then connect to living room speakers or whatever) would be handy for me. And that wouldn't trouble the RIAA at all. I was surprised remote didn't include this option first time round...hopefully it will do in the future.
sockatume @ Aug 7th 2008 7:19PM
I'd say that crappy mobile data allowances are the biggest barrier. O2's iPhone data limit isn't explicitly 200MB a month any more, but it's telling that they set it that low to begin with. Even at 1GB per month, that's only 16 hours of tunes. That gets you about half an hour of listening per day.
bjsguess @ Aug 7th 2008 7:36PM
I agree.
Mobile phone carriers continue to clamp down on download usage. It is really going to be difficult if you see companies capping data connections at 1GB.
I can totally envision a world where you have tiered data pricing plans. A basic plan with a 1GB (designed for light web browsing), a 5GB plan (designed for streaming audio and some video), and an unlimited plan (designed for streaming videos and tethering). Unfortunately, I can also envision carriers using todays rates as the basic plan then jacking up the pricing significantly for the other two tiers.
Bryan Corey @ Aug 7th 2008 7:28PM
The problem of home-uplink speeds is only a time-based issue. Home broadband is always increasing. Having the patent and technology for when we get there would be great from Apples point of view.
Besides, there's always buffering and quality settings. I have a 1G iPhone and use all the net radio apps over Edge in my car all the time.
bjsguess @ Aug 7th 2008 7:31PM
Can't wait for this to be implemented. Apple fans can have another "first" under their belt!
See touchscreens, slim laptops, push email, synchronized calendars, etc.
Will N. @ Aug 7th 2008 7:43PM
I hope you were being sarcastic. 'first' and 'apple' do not belong in the same sentence.
Abuzar Baloach @ Aug 7th 2008 9:21PM
Sometimes they do...
They made the first Apple computers. Theirs were the first computers with Mac OSX, etc.
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brandon @ Aug 7th 2008 7:36PM
Please and thank-you!!!!
Will N. @ Aug 7th 2008 7:42PM
Winamp Remote ftw.
kjb434 @ Aug 8th 2008 10:35AM
Exactly
Winamp Remote is actually flawless in execution whether you are on a mobile phone or a public computer......
GadgetTamer @ Aug 7th 2008 7:45PM
ummm... i though of this when the iPod touch was released, and found it sad that it wasn't possible....
Wow, Apple really needs to get to work with there ORIGINAL ideas....
Draconis2941 @ Aug 7th 2008 7:46PM
http://tversity.com
Look into it. I've been streaming all matter of media, not just my music (which I manage via iTunes), for quite a while. I can pick it up on anything that can access the internet, it cost me nothing, no one controls it but me.
Fed @ Aug 7th 2008 7:53PM
illegal apps? So let me get this straight, I buy and iPod, I jailbreak it, and install open source free software and that's illegal?!?
That's like saying you can't tint your windows on a car you bought or any other modification.
I can understand no support warranty blah blah, but illegal I think not, the day that happens is the day I move out of America.
Mitch @ Aug 7th 2008 10:08PM
It's called an end user agreement, its a little f**k you from Apple, it's what they do best.
Information Central @ Aug 8th 2008 5:55AM
"It's called an end user agreement"
Which isn't worth a rat's ass. A company can write up whatever it wants, but it doesn't have the force of law. A private enterprise doesn't get to dictate what's legal just by saying so.
It first must pay off our representatives in Congress.
rodsky @ Aug 7th 2008 7:54PM
can they get rid of the syncing bullshit while they are at it?
derF @ Aug 7th 2008 7:56PM
...and will the iphone car battery adapter be released concurrently with this update?
Doug @ Aug 7th 2008 7:56PM
They stole my idea. I've been streaming audio from my home music collection to my phone/laptop for about 4 years.
HektikLyfe @ Aug 7th 2008 7:59PM
How about the the ability to purchase iTunes music over 3G....
Still confused about why that is disabled and the App store isn't.
dojin @ Aug 7th 2008 8:05PM
This sounds just like an idea i had over a month ago and emailed it to gismodo and engadget asking their opion, but got no reply, so here's what i said for you's guys to read:
i have a theory about the 32gig iphone, I was thinking, the reason they may not be coming out with one and actually may never come out with one, is this CLOUD idea they came up with, my theory is in the near future they will announce an expansion of this cloud system that will enable it to also be storage for your iphone/ipod so instead of buying more flash memory, you will buy more space in your cloud, and you could have your entire mp3 collection in your cloud accessible anytime you need, and a nice advantage of having stuff in your cloud is, you could keep all your private info in your cloud, and if you were to loose your iphone, u call apple or go online to your account and deactivate that iphones access to your cloud, making your data allot more secure. And with a system like this having an 8gig iphone is more than enough, 8gig is lots! if you have a huge cloud! What do you think of this idea? seems plausible to me, cause it really seems odd to me that apple wouldn't have released a 32gig one yet and its odd to that they never talk that they will either, so when i heard this cloud business it clicked!, i wonder???
let me know what u think :-)
Michael Schmitt @ Aug 7th 2008 8:09PM
I always thought that one cool point of .Mac (now MobileMe) was the "Back To My Mac" feature of OS X.
Now that OS X is running on the iPhone, I can't see that it would take too many steps for Apple to get this idea up and running.
TRAFFICBLOWS @ Aug 7th 2008 9:36PM
It might not take too many steps for Apple, but prob get an app with the same high quality as MobileMe